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There's not a single gratuitous comment in any of my posts in this thread. If the substantiation that I offered is not enough for you, ask for more and I will provide it. As to your level of tolerance of my ideas and arguments, it has nothing to do with me, and you will of course take any action you deem necessary, whenever you deem it so.

I already have: because they are more immersive, i.e. as I have explained at length in my Genealogy (even just the parts of it that have been published on the internet so far), artistically superior. And I mean, besides all that (which is all there is, and all there needs to be, but perhaps some humor might help you see the ridiculousness of your position anyway), if you think that a retarded childish little 2D bitmap, or some variation of fucking Tetris or whatever (which is what all the 2D action genres boil down to in the end), or a fucking arcade stick or whatever, are the ULTIMATE POSSIBLE ACHIEVEMENTS OF DIGITAL ENTERTAINMENT, and that the purpose of the entire history of digital technology as it pertains to art had been achieved with these pathetic little developments, you are out of your fucking mind. Even if we put behind us all the theory and all the science and all the art, and just simply put a screen from Super Mario World or whatever (to demonstrate the graphics), and an arcade stick on a couple of pedestals and write beneath them: THE PINNACLES OF DIGITAL ART, we'd have even THE PEDESTALS THEMSELVES LAUGHING AT US, dude. The absurdity of your position is so obvious the moment we leave some early-90's obsessive's dedicated gaming room and go out into the street and get some goddamn air, that no arguments at all would be required to prove any of my points (quite aside from the fact that I HAVE ALL OF THEM WHILE YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING). Like, for reals dude. If you seriously think that the pinnacle of art is The Super Shinobi or Strider or whatever, you seriously need some goddamn air. Nor can you escape from this implication by hiding yourself inside the term "videogames" and claiming that art and videogames are two separate things, because that dichotomy has already been demolished in my Genealogy. Art and videogames are EXACTLY THE SAME THING, and as I explain in my article on Set Theory (and as you should be able to grasp without even reading it), videogames are basically a superset of all previous (and in fact even future) artforms. So if you say that some random 2D childish little game is the pinnacle of videogames you are saying it is the pinnacle of art, and no amount of muddling the waters or backpedalling can obscure that retarded insinuation.

As if all my writings weren't about aesthetics, lol.

There's nothing "plain" about beauty, Recap. It is an extremely complicated subject, and our understanding and pursuit of it hinges on an immense level to all the rules and guidelines art theorists like me have been expounding for millennia. The retort that "that is simply what I like" belongs on gamefaqs: at the level of art theory and criticism it is merely an ignorant childish gesture. And I am telling you why games with stage progression (i.e. scene development) "please your eyes" -- instead of having a game be a single glorified stage (however beautiful) -- because real life has scene development, which is why therefore it's more immersive.

It has everything to do with exactly those things, and your denial of this obvious simple fact is merely your way of attacking the theory which you can see eventually, in the long run, and from a higher viewpoint, denies the superiority (and therefore ultimately the relevance) of your tastes.

There's only one kind of immersion, and as far as 2D Japanese games go you are a downright ADDICT of it.

To make my position crystal clear, if given a choice between saving Far Cry 2 or the entire history of 2D games, the 2D stuff would all go in the trash without a second's hesitation, just as I'd trash all the paintings ever made to save a Heat, a Blade Runner or a Dark Knight. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the primitive stuff -- it is part of the amazing depth and breadth of my tastes and aesthetic sensibilities that I can -- but the utter superiority of the advanced stuff has to be recognized, if not by everyone then at least by the highest arbiters of taste, otherwise we might as well agree with the artfags that progress in art is impossible and go back to cave paintings or splattered canvases.

That is not to say that I expect you to agree to this. But it would at least be a good idea for you to realize what my position is, simply for the purposes of whatever discussions we might have on this or related topics.

I don't see a close equivalence with the professional market. There are some similarities (the general lack of difficulty and dumbing down, for example), but you still get stuff like Senjou no Valkyria, Operation Darkness, Far Cry 2, Vanquish and Bayonetta that move things forward. In the "indie" market, there seems to be no moving forward whatsoever.

The closest parallel I can see, is with the European (mainly British) home computer scene in the 80's and early '90s (and specifically the action genres). Countless games that are practically unplayable now -- though still better than the "indie" trash (except if my memory is being too kind on the former...)

Everything is subjective so Recap might as well close the forum down since Macaw is "not sure how much can be gained from discussing anything" lol.

Or did you just mean that you felt offended that Recap attacked your taste and instead of trying to offer arguments to the contrary you would feel more comfortable by undermining the authority of his taste by labeling it as "subjective" and dropping the discussion?

For the record, I think that GunLord boss looks perfectly fine. Not great, or special in any way, but I would have easily taken it for a Japanese effort if not told otherwise. The only things bad about that screenshot are the sprite, the bonus items and the platform. The boss, background and weapon effects are just fine as far as I am concerned. So I concur with Recap that what Westerners often fail to get is cohesion between the various visual elements -- as if different people worked on them without bothering to show each other what they were doing. And the same of course holds true for 3D efforts. Take a game like Otogi, for example, where the fucking menu screens are some of the most visually impressive things I've ever seen on a computer monitor, and the entire game's style flows like water. I can't imaging Westerners ever getting anywhere near that level of coherence in a hundred years. Except with something as simple and plain as a minimalist amateur game -- in which case even I could do it.

The reason I am only interested in original games in this context is because the point of the whole exercise, for me, is to judge the effect of the XBLA service on ORIGINAL game design. Of course I am interested in good ports and remakes. Just not for the purpose of my evaluation of the ORIGINAL worth of the service.

Climax had a deluxe version with a widescreen LCD, by the way. I didn't get to play it.

Yeah, but you are not counting in the fact that Josh might actually LIKE its visuals (in fact that's what he says on his Twitter account), just like you didn't count in the fact that I liked Arcana Heart's visuals. So if he likes the mechanics AND the visuals, I don't see any reason why his enthusiasm for the game might diminish in the future.

lol, not everyone is so hung up on visuals as you are, Recap.

I had forgotten all about this. Even the "Wii" seems natural to me at this point. In hindsight, it IS more natural than the fuckin' "Xbox 360". God, what a dumb idea that was. It will be interesting to see what they name its successor. If we fucking ever get one, that is. Before we know it it'll be a decade without ANY new consoles out.

Recap, there's a config file in the Spelunky folder, and if you run it you can choose the resolution of the game: 1x, 2x, 3x, or 4x. It's just that 4x seems to be the default one for whatever reason.

If you ever happen to play it, even for a quick go, I'd be interested to know what you make of it, especially in comparison with my criticisms. And also your take on the graphics.

http://lasergun.wordpress.com/2009/03/2 … adventure/

I'll have to try this out for myself I think.

But then, so does Mushihime-sama -- on the OST, at least, it says "Mushihimesama"... What would be your choice for that?